J. Reuben Clark Was Booed by the U of U Student Body

We latter-day saints who back a Ron Paul presidency find and believe that J. Reuben Clark too would be backing Ron Paul were he here to vote.  Ron Paul speaks much of US Senator Robert Taft, and J. Reuben Clark was a major backer and enthusiast of Senator Taft who was a constitutionalist, not a CFR backed stooge and hack.  Taft was to be the GOP nominee in 1952, but the establishment pulled out all the stops and at the national convention got Eisenhower in.  We find many latter-day saints antagonistic toward Ron Paul for the very policies that made foolish latter-day saints boo J. Reuben Clark at the University of Utah when, as an aged and old man, he was invited to speak to that student body.  We will cite that account in this page, and intend here to arouse within the reader a sobering reality that their criticism of Ron Paul in his constitutional stance, be it foreign or domestic policy, is by extension, a spitting in the face of prophets, and acutely so, that of: J. Reuben Clark Jr.

J. Reuben Clark Jr., one of the most phenominally amazing men of the 20th century, certainly in LDS circles, was another who was “mentally stoned” by the foolish people. They would not accept counsel from what current apostle Boyd K. Packer refers to as a “giant” among the prophets.

J. Reuben Clark was lauded initially when called into the LDS Church first Presidency in 1933, serving as counselor to Heber J. Grant and David O. McKay.

J. Reuben Clark served his country in such capacities as Solicitor for the Department of State, Under Secretary of State and Ambassador to Mexico. Marion G. Romney of the Council of Twelve Apostles has written concerning him as follows:

US Attorney General, Philander Chase Knox, said if he were President, he would appoint J. Reuben Clark Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court

Referring to President Clark’s work under him in the Department of State, Secretary Philander Chase Knox said, “I am doing him but justice in saying that for natural ability, integrity, loyalty and industry I have not in a long professional and public experience met his superior and rarely his equal.… It would be difficult to secure the combination of sound judgment (and) natural aptitude” he “possesses.” … “In my judgment” he “is perhaps the soundest international lawyer in this country.” … “Were I President,” he said, “I would make (him) Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court,” adding “that no one could have gone there better equipped at the start.” In saying this “he did not exclude Marshall.”

During his presidential campaign, Governor Landon said that, if elected, he would make President Clark Secretary of State.…

The eminent jurist and authority on international law, John Bassett Moore, wrote Ambassador Morrow, “Clark is an able man. He works hard, thinks straight, and has the capacity of getting at the bottom of things. He is one of the few men to whom, after listening to their statement of a case, I feel justified in giving an opinion without reading all the documents myself.” On another occasion Mr. Moore as he went over the files in the Department of State said, “I was amazed at the amount of creative work he has done.”

Mr. Morrow himself said that “next to Mr. Moore” he considered President Clark the most eminent authority on international law in the United States. (Relief Society Magazine, 1959, P.494) (Prophets, Principles, and National Survival p. xxiv.)

Marion G. Romney, also a lawyer, extolled the virtues of President Clark and his vision and warnings

Marion G. Romney, in an address in the Salt Lake Tabernacle after the death of J. Reuben Clark, referred to him in these words:

His love of country was proverbial. In the field of government he was a seer. His discernment of trends was keen and accurate. As early as 1920 he publicly raised his clarion voice in warning against the communist menace.… From then until now he has anticipated and warned against every step we have taken in our tragic descent into the abyss of the welfare state. No one saw clearer than did President Clark the dwindling of our national sovereignty and the shrinking of our individual liberties. I feel certain that the verdict of history will sustain our appraisal that he was a great “Prophet-Statesman.” (CN-10/14/61) (Prophets, Principles, and National Survival p. xxv.) (Emphasis added.)

President Clark was therefore extolled and the Mormon people were happy to have a man of such international renown called into the Church’s First Presidency.  This changed however, once the schooling began: his teaching the people the importance of correct principles of Constitutional government.

A great biographical sketch of J. Reuben Clark was delivered by W. Cleon Skousen in 1992 in Grantsville, Utah, where President Clark was born and raised.  Dr. Skousen had been called upon by David O. McKay to write The Naked Communist.  President McKay was so alarmed at the treason from within taking place in the nation, that he even was intent to have the church publish the book.  However, as the McCarthy hearings become so controversial, President McKay opted to have Dr. Skousen self publish the book in 1958.  After President McKay held up and “brandished” that book at the pulpit in General Conference in 1959, the book eventually went on to become a national best seller, with a thousand copies a day being bought up with no advertising.  Those were “controversial times” as are these today, when the military-industrial complex and moneychangers have as great a grip perhaps as they’ve ever held upon the US slaves who are in bondage to a national debt and a private Banking.

W. Cleon Skousen in his 1992 address, giving the biographical sketch of J. Reuben Clark makes these most critical points that most LDS scholars seem to never address or publish:

Those Who Don’t Like the Constitution

There was one group of people that never liked it. They didn’t like the Constitution, they didn’t like the turmoil, they didn’t like this kind of a republic. You see, this bubbling and burbling and so forth, and everybody putting in their two bits worth, etc. — that produced Washingtons, that produced Jeffersons, John Adams.

I mean, if you’d been at the Constitutional Convention, it wasn’t a nice, sweet, peaceful convention. Those great men with strong opinion hammered and hammered. But when they got through, God says, “I established this Constitution by the hands of wise men that I raised up for this very purpose. Anything that’s more or less that this is evil.” — section 98 and section 101. It all came out of this burbling and gurgling. You got to have fun with it, you’ve got to get used to it.

But these people, who are very rich and very powerful, have always hated it. The reason they hate it is because they operate big industries, where they speak and things happen, where there’s a certain amount of order. If there isn’t, they can change it, just like that.

They said, “Now that’s the way our society should be, that’s the way government should be. We’ve got to change this thing so we’ve got the smartest people in charge, and compel these stupid masses to do what’s good for them.”

In 1908, there was a congregation of these very wealthy people, they represented the greatest powers in the railroad industry, in the oil industry, in the banking industry, in the commercial industry. They were congregated together in the Carnegie Foundation for International Peace. They tried to decide how you could change the whole American system, peacefully if possible, but, if necessary, do it with war.

Dr. Skousen went on to speak of President Clark being brought in as top lawyer for this criminal, elite group of Moneychangers:

Using War for a Collectivization of Power

They worked on that for a year. In time of war, the people will tolerate a collectivization of control: mandate, and people do what they’re told to do. They said, “That should be set up so that it’s the permanent pattern of our society.”

They decided that they’d have to do it through war, “You got to get a war, get them in that mood, where they will tolerate the centralized, dictatorial mandate and authority, and then have another war, if necessary, until it becomes a pattern.” That’s what those men decided to do.

The next question was, “How would we get control of the government under those circumstances, and then maintain it?” The answer was, you’ve got to control the State Department and the Presidency. That’s what they agreed upon.

We have the minutes of those meetings. The man who secured them, almost accidentally, a good friend of mine, was working for one of the Congressional Committees. They got the minutes of 1908, when it was resolved that, “We’re going to use war from now on until we get this nation under control.” So, they’ve got to get their own man for President, and they’ve got to have him appoint a Secretary of State of their vintage or mentality.

Remember this is the Carnegie Foundation for International Peace, plotting war! Any of you heard of this before? Yes, some of you have. I didn’t get it in school. I had to dig it out years later when I found that something had gone wrong.

Woodrow Wilson’s Rise to Power

The man they picked out to be their president, to run in the other party — the Republicans were in power — was a man by the name of Woodrow Wilson. He was the head of the department of political science at Princeton. He’d been very critical of the Constitution for a variety of reasons. He liked the British system better.

So they thought, “There’s somebody we could probably mold and weave into what we need.” So they started working on him, and they got him to be governor of New Jersey. They elected him, and this is the book that tells how they did it, how they put the money in, and they used money to manipulate and massage the people of New Jersey until this professor was elected the governor of New Jersey.

Then they started manipulating Woodrow Wilson to agree to this different approach, “Maybe we can get back closer to the British system. Certainly we’ll change the Constitution.”

Right in the middle of that, listen to what Woodrow Wilson says, “Since I’ve entered politics, I’ve chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men the United States in the field in commerce and manufacture are afraid of something. They know that there is a power, somewhere, so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

That’s Woodrow Wilson. He doesn’t know it, but they’re the people that have now taken him in tow. J. P. Morgan and the Rockefellers and the Carnegie money is going in behind him, and getting him set to be President, on condition that he will go for a Federal Reserve system, that will eventually get rid of gold and silver as a money system, establish a credit system with no bottom to it: “Just use the taxing power of the people as a basis for money in the future. It’s necessary that we do get ourselves involved in the affairs of the world, so we can guide the world toward a better structure. It will probably have to be through war.”

That’s an interesting phenomenon, that this book tells all about, Tragedy and Hope. This man believed in this group. He apologizes for them over and over again. He said, “Maybe they were a little clumsy, but their ultimate goal was a good one.” Can’t believe it.

Then he documents all the things that I later put in a book called The Naked Capitalist, that went to a million copies, based on his book, telling people what’s really been going on. For a while it was widely read, but not so much anymore. People have kind of lost touch with who’s running things. It’s the same people.

So we’ve got ourselves a new President, and we got the Federal Reserve. Wasn’t very long before, as you know, we got rid of gold, everybody had to turn it in. All the gold clauses and contracts were wiped out by the Supreme Court. J. Reuben Clark knew all this was unconstitutional — the whole fabric was unconstitutional.

J. Reuben Clark Was Trapped

But meanwhile, he had been trapped just like Woodrow Wilson had. It all came about in 1916, when a man — who was one of the wealthiest men, one of the top men in the country, whose name was Willard Strait, he was part of the J. P. Morgan people — came to him and asked if he wouldn’t like to have a junior partner. To have Mr. Strait, you know, as your partner, for a boy from Grantsville, way out in Utah, I mean, he’s gone clear up on the top level.

Well,” he said, “where would we have our office?”

Oh, in New York.”

Where in New York?”

Well, we have a skyscraper there, and we’ll be on the lower floor. Everything above you will be our client.”

Just one client?”

Yes, just one client.”

What’s it called?”

The American International Corporation, the first international conglomerate of industrial power that was ever organized in the United States.”

What are we going to do?”

Well, we’re going to use our money that all our people have, and we’re going to start buying up the industries and get things kind of organized together.”

What J. Reuben Clark didn’t know, they were going to have a war within about eighteen months, and they wanted to all of the copper and the steel and the boats and the railroads and everything to make the money from it. Clever. American International Corporation, and guess who was its attorney? J. Reuben Clark.

At first it seemed great, because they were buying up these great industries in Central America, the big fruit companies, all the boats they could get their hands on, the wharfs, steel, copper — I have them all listed here.

At the head of this international association, listen to who was on their board: Stone of the Webster Engineering Company, Percy Rockefeller of Standard Oil, J. Ogden of the Armor Company, Charles Kaufman of General Electric, James Hill of the Great Northern Railway, Oliver Kahn of Kunelob and Company, Robert Lovell of the Union Pacific, and so it goes on. I mean, you’re talking with the richest, the most powerful, and the strongest. He’s buying up millions and millions of dollar’s worth in all these companies.

So in 1916, Woodrow Wilson was elected on the basis that he would keep us out of the war. After he was inaugurated, we were in the war within six weeks. It’s all in this book. At that time, I was about five years old. I was getting on the scene now, gradually here, so I could watch what J. Reuben was doing.

J. Reuben Clark Awakens To What is Going On

But anyway, J. Reuben Clark didn’t awake to what was happening until about 1923. He began to fuss at them, and make their lives so miserable, as he saw what they were doing. One time, he considered dishonestly, they fired him. 1923.

Guess what he did? He came back on Constitution Day and spoke in the Tabernacle about the great United States Constitution. “I’ll tell you,” he said, “it is in jeopardy. I see forces rising all around us today that have as their goal and objective, the destruction of the very thing that made the United States the greatest nation in the world!”

Well, I’m not sure they paid much attention to him. He quotes from his 1923 speech the rest of his life. I finally got a copy of it. It’s great. He took the whole strength, the golden threads of the Constitution, to stress to the people here in Utah what a great responsibility they had to preserve that institution.

Already the foundations are being very badly eroded. So the State Department called him back as Assistant Secretary of State. He was puzzled about just what he should be doing. In Utah we wanted him to run as Senator. Someone was talking about putting him on the Supreme Court. By this time he had such a tremendous reputation he could almost named what he would have liked to run for. In this state, he would have been supported wholeheartedly, and it didn’t work out.

Instead of that, he became ambassador to Mexico. He did a great job down there. He taught the Mexican people to trust him, and to love him. He did a lot to help our Mormon colonies in Mexico during that difficult period where I went to school a couple of years.

Then some additional quoting from The Life of J. Rueben Clark Jr., by W. Cleon Skousen, telling of President Clark being booed when invited to speak at the University of Utah:

Politics” in Church

They didn’t mind him talking on the gospel, but any time he’d start talking on the Constitution, “that terrible Republican instrument!” Isn’t that something? All through California schools, I was told the Constitution was obsolete. Here’s this man standing up, which everybody knows he’s a Republican, defending the Constitution, and “that’s politics in church.”

President Grant would try to assure the people that we wanted the Saints to hear this. It was not popular. He never did become a popular speaker. Years later when I was here, he spoke at the University of Utah. Here is a member of the First Presidency, and he was a counselor to three Presidents over a period of 28 years. We’ve never had another human being in this church serve as a counselor to Presidents of the church longer than J. Reuben Clark.

So he was so well known, they decided to have him speak at the University of Utah. He stood up before that audience, and they booed him, a member of the First Presidency. Majority of the audience LDS. They booed him. He stood there, by this time he was pretty heavy-set, you know, and he smiled at them.

He said, “Well, I don’t mind you calling me old-fashioned, because I am.” Yeeaahh! “I don’t even mind you calling me antediluvian (which is before the flood!)” Huurraay!! “But,” he said, ” I am a little sensitive about you calling me pre-historic!”

The students all laughed, and immediately they sat back to listen. I’ve got a copy of that speech, and it’s just great. Of course the students had been trained not to believe those things anymore. But he sowed the seeds.

Have the seeds been sufficiently cared for, cultivated, and nurtured?  Perhaps some found deep rich soil rather than more formidably obstacles of parched, hard ground, walk ways, rocky and inhospitable soil.  It seems that in Utah and elsewhere, wheat and tares together grow, and it would seem, Constitutionally speaking, the tares dominate and suffocate the wheat as the “more part of the righteous” continue to embrace and uphold the policies, sophistry, and wicked agenda of the CFR warfare/welfare statism as they ever succumb to “ambitious and scheming leaders” who “woo the people with sophistry as they take control of the society.”


J. Reuben Clark Was Booed by the U of U Student Body — 7 Comments

  1. You say J. Reuben Clark was booed at the University of Utah, but you give no reference for this. When did it happen? What talk was he giving? Please back up your blind assertion, because I can’t find any evidence to confirm this.

    • Thank you very much Kim for the post. The article was not complete, and has had the additional citation added from W. Cleon Skousen’s “The Life of J. Reuben Clark Jr.,” which tells of his University of Utah experience being booed by the student body.

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    • I allow for anyone to hold any perspective and opinion. I find it deeply repugnant, however, when people don’t and won’t tolerate commentary on their blog posts. I could trounce upon and thrash many assertions in this article and shred it apart, but alas “comments are closed” and so false claims and bias, twists and distortions are not challenged.

      One thing here is the seeming smearing of Senator McCarthy, but I can’t post vast throngs of stuff showing that McCarthy’s numbers were way low in terms of the Communists in the State Department. The traitors within made that legitimate investigation into a thing now of fable, calling it a “witch hunt” which the traitors too attempted to make so disgusting that anyone questioning anyone were denounced as “fringe” and freaks who were out to “black list” innocent people.

      Forgotten are the massive betrayals of free people’s across the globe by vipers in the US State Department. Think of the “Blood bath” of the people in the African nation of Katanga, for example. Oops. Somehow the authors of this article won’t cite such butchery. Nor will the speak to the treason of General Marshall and his turning China over to the communists. Nothing is said of the State Department putting Fidel Castro in power in Cuba. On and on, and on the list goes, massive treason from within.

      This author in the article would have you believe voting for Mitt Romney is voting for someone who secretly is aligned with the JBS, as “all mormons” are of that persuasion. Ahahahaa. Oh, man, if only it were so. Total bull. These prophets cited in the article were “mentally stoned” by the majority of the LDS people, most of whom today are yet in a state of total stupidity as far as foreign policy goes and true history and current events of the last century.

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    • I would have do do some research to see if I have that speech. It may not be available unless you knew how to gain access to the files of W. Cleon Skousen who passed away in 2006

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